melissa harris-perry, transcript 02/15/15

MSNBC guest host Dorian Warren: My question this morning.
Have we seen the return of the debtor\'s prison?
In addition, the director of the FBI spoke very frankly about the police and race and the cost of war.
But first, the latest deadly terrorist attack. Good morning.
I\'m Dorian Warren from Melissa Harris. Perry.
First of all this morning, we would like to update you on the situation of yesterday\'s shooting in Copenhagen.
The first shooting was a free speech campaign against a cartoonist who portrayed and mocked the Prophet Muhammad.
One person attending the event was killed and three police officers were injured.
The second shooting took place in a synagogue.
A man who provided security was killed.
Two police officers were injured.
The Danish prime minister spoke outside the synagogue earlier today. (
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Danish Prime Minister Schmidt: We have ideas for his family.
We are with them today, but our thoughts today relate to the entire Jewish community.
They belong to Denmark.
They are an important part of our community and we will do everything we can to protect the Jewish community in our country. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Warren: Danish police say people suspected of carrying out the attacks were killed after fighting with authorities.
Now in Copenhagen, Denmark, I am on the phone with Peter Keldorff, a reporter from the Danish Broadcasting Corporation.
Peter, how much do we know about the identity of the suspect?
Danish broadcaster peter keldorff (via telephone)
: The police told us this afternoon that they knew the name of the person killed this morning and, as you said, they suspected to be the attackers in the two attacks.
They told us that our intelligence agency knew the man in advance.
As our intelligence director told us, he was on their radar.
So our intelligence agency knew the man in advance, and now they know his name, but they don\'t want to disclose it to the media and the public.
That\'s what we know now.
Warren: Do the police think the suspect is the only one involved or are they looking for more people?
They are definitely looking for more.
Just as we spoke, there was a mass arrest at an Internet cafe in the same area of the city, and last night, this morning, the man was shot dead, so they were definitely looking for more.
But on the other hand, they said at a press conference earlier today that they thought no one else was working with him.
Of course, the police are also closely monitoring their cards.
So we don\'t know what this is all about, but of course they\'re looking for more.
Just as we speak, as I told you, mass arrests are underway in the same area where he was killed.
Warren: Thank you, Peter Keldorf from Copenhagen.
Now, we turn to another international story that has an impact at home.
This week, President Obama asked Congress to approve his war against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, but the truth is that it started months ago.
Three American soldiers were killed in a mission to support the war.
The loss of human life is immeasurable.
Although there are many ways to measure the cost of war, the most basic thing is money. we can analyze more and more financial figures.
The United States has already spent $1.
According to the Pentagon, 5 billion of the operations against ISIS
We spend an average of $8.
4 million per day.
From some point of view, the war in Afghanistan has cost the United States. S.
$0. 212 billion a day
Wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere have spent a total of $1 over the past 13 years. 6 trillion.
The war is much cheaper. So-
The so-called smart bomb costs $40,000 each.
The flight time of a fighter is about $10,000 per hour. S.
More than 5,000 air strikes have been launched, so this is not trivial, but the ground war is much more expensive.
America in AfghanistanS.
Each ground soldier spends more than $1 million a year.
By contrast, the fight against ISIS is a cheap war.
That may be why the president is so confident in the public and congressional support of this new war known as the \"inherently determined action. ”(
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US President Barack Obama: I am optimistic that it can win strong bipartisan support and that we can show our troops and the world that Americans are united in this task. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Warren: edit Marcus Marbury, join me nowat-
The New York Times, National Republican adviser, former South Carolina Republican Chairman Keaton Dawson, national defense one political journalist Molly Otule and Julian zerizer blockbuster, professor of History and Public Affairs at Princeton University, Lyndon Johnson, author of the present intense urgency, Congress, fought for the Great Society.
Thank you for joining us today.
Marcus, I want to start with you because the public seems to be in favor of the president\'s actions against ISIS.
Does public perception of war take into account the cost of finance?
Marcus Marbury of the New York Times: Yes.
It is, it is.
From a historical point of view.
In this case, of course-Warren: should I?
Marbury: there is no doubt that the most tragic cost of any war is the loss of life on both sides.
Of course, I think Americans will be keenly aware of this, and of course, Americans who serve their families will be keenly aware of it.
Fortunately or unfortunately, more and more American families do not have service personnel.
So I think we\'re getting fewer and fewer people to adapt to these costs, but these are the most tragic ones.
From an economic point of view, the American public generally supports war as long as we are in a period of good economy.
We happen to be lucky enough to get into what seems like a sustained economic recovery, so in this war I don\'t think there will be a problem.
Another fact is that because we don\'t have boots on the ground and now there is no political will to have them on the ground, it is much easier for the American people to bear the war.
At this point, I would like to propose the voting data.
For the war mandate, 54% said yes, 32% said no.
This is a poll by NBC News/Marist, but as far as ground forces are concerned, 26% support a large number of ground forces and 40% support a limited number of forces, there was only about a quarter to support no troops on the ground, so it was interesting to support the dispatch of actual personnel.
MABRY: I think if you really have boots on the ground, I think the numbers will get worse soon.
The idea is one thing, but it is different.
Warren: Molly, I would like to ask you if members of Congress will consider the cost factor and how will this affect congressional hearings on the authorized use of force?
Defense 1: I don\'t think that\'s what we see or what we hear.
We see a lot of these breasts.
This sentence is a bit exaggerated, but in fact, members of Congress have to make these considerations about costs.
They are the people in charge of the appropriation and authorization act.
Warren: the power of the wallet.
Ortour: That\'s right.
As we have seen in the past 13 years the battle of the Islamic State and the global war against terrorism, which is the only real supervisory power in Congress, I mean, without congressional intervention, the war against the Islamic State has been going on for six months, and that is the power of the wallet.
Now, politically, they are reluctant to be seen as not giving the army what it needs to succeed.
So, while they are the ones responsible for passing these bills that will fund the Department of Defense, what you see publicly will not be the back door discussion of these costs.
They are very consistent with the public\'s political ideas.
Julian, tell us how the presidents of the past handled the cost of war.
Princeton University professor Julian zerezer: they tried to deal with them before World War II so they could sell savings bonds, where they could raise taxes and be like Congress
We have not done so recently.
We fund it through deficit spending and borrowing.
So people don\'t feel the effect, and Congress has a little room for maneuver, but in the end it\'s not through taxes to know the cost, but the deficit has increased, and other projects are starting to feel that, and lawmakers are not happy.
So now everything seems easy.
The question is, what happens if this expands and accelerates? What is trade?
This will be necessary.
Warren: Karton, what kind of position would 2016 presidential candidates take and what are the cost factors?
Former Republican president of South Carolina, Caton Dawson: it has nothing to do with it.
You \'ve seen the Republican candidate want to increase defense spending.
You will never lose on defense, especially in South Carolina.
Moved to Iowa and Nevada.
I think one of the things I have seen in the polls is that these beheadings and murders have changed public opinion, especially those of young ladies.
I noticed that they did not show that.
This is one of the most united things I \'ve seen at dinner between Republicans and Democrats, who now understand who this enemy is.
They don\'t understand the scope of it, but they understand that we have to lead.
This is an unusual president, demanding these powers.
Some of my people have told me that his request is not enough because the public is talking about it now.
You know, Marcus, when people talk about it in a restaurant, you get scared, money comes second, politics comes first.
Warren: Marcus, I want to get back to you because you started with this.
We \'ve heard the president and other congressional leaders say over and over again that it\'s not going to be a surface war in any way.
Should we believe them?
Now, of course.
You can trust them now.
The reality is that we don\'t know what will happen in the future.
It will be a long struggle, a difficult struggle.
Many people think that you can look back on the previous struggles between Iraq and say that it is all part of the same struggle.
In the left and right, Democrats and Republicans, there was an interesting debate on this issue.
But the truth is, the Copenhagen meeting at the weekend.
It is indeed a global struggle, a global war.
What is the point of how you execute it remains to be seen.
But it\'s hard for me to believe that you don\'t need ground troops somewhere in the world.
Warren: when we come back, more information about the war and the cost of the war, but before we take a break, we want to provide the latest information about the Winter Storm Neptune, due to heavy snow and snowstorms in New England, the weather hit and hit.
That\'s what Boston looks like this morning.
The staff are trying to dig out, and another 1 feet snow may be seen in the area before the end of the day.
Hundreds of flights at Logan Airport were canceled this morning and people were urged not to go on the road.
The storm is a triple threat, including snow, strong winds and biting cold winds, all in an area that is still struggling to recover from early snowstorms.
NBC meteorologist Dominic Davis is here to update on the Blizzard schedule.
Dominic, is today the worst for New England?
Dominic Davis, NBC meteorologist: Yes.
Although they have already had a lot of snow, there is not much snow.
Snow has already started to snow, but Blizzard\'s warning is still valid because the extreme weather today is windy and cold.
Look at our blizzard warning.
They go up and down the coast from Massachusetts to Maine, which will be done overnight.
This is due to the fact that with wind speeds up to 60, 70 miles per hour, the whole day of snow blowing and drifting is the case, meaning visibility can drop to zero, which makes the conditions for Blizzard.
Let\'s take a look at the Doppler radar.
Good news because we saw the snow machine closing soon. That is great.
Parts of Boston have seen the new storm, up 19 inch since Saturday, and are still watching heavy snow through southeast Massachusetts.
Besides, snow is really leaving.
However, the cold and strong winds will gradually increase.
We see extreme winds.
Just off the coast where we were warned by Blizzard, from afternoon to tonight, 60 to 70 miles per hour, 50 miles south of New York.
So the whole Northeast is in these strong winds.
So everyone from Maine to WashingtonC.
You will see the strong wind today, the cold wind in Boston.
I should say gusts, 43 miles an hour in Philadelphia.
Look at the cold. it\'s dangerous cold.
Tonight and tomorrow morning we will see the coldest air of the season.
Probably the coldest air we \'ve had in ten years.
Dominic Davis, Cnn meteorologist, thank you.
Right there, after the break, we\'ll talk to the only member of Congress who voted against the military force 2001 mandate, Representative Barbara Lee, and her peace bill. (
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Warren: President Obama says he doesn\'t even need congressional approval for his military action against ISIS.
According to the White House, due to a vote in Congress 13 years ago, the president has all the legal power he needs.
On September 18, 2001, the Congress authorized the president to \"use all necessary and appropriate force against the country, organization or individual he determined the plan, authorized, to carry out or assist in the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harass these organizations or individuals in order to prevent any future international terrorist acts by these countries, organizations or individuals against the United States.
The vote ended with overwhelming support for military forces.
In fact, only one member of parliament voted against it.
She\'s joining us now.
Democratic Congressman Barbara Lee (Barbara Lee) from California is live in Berkeley.
Good morning, honorable woman.
On behalf of Barbara Lee (D)
California: Good morning.
Warren: You said 13 years ago that you were worried that we would get out of control using force.
I would like to ask you, is this the kind of campaign you are seeing now by the president against ISIS?
Li: Unfortunately, the resolution I voted against does allow the status of a permanent war.
I think that is critical without any president coming back to Congress.
Resolution 2001 is the basis of Resolution 2002, which authorizes the use of force against Iraq.
Here again, we have taken military action and have not in fact abolished the first resolution.
So to be frank, I am concerned that the 2001 policy will continue to be implemented until we abolish it, and it will lay the foundation for continuing military operations around the world without congressional input, debate or authorities.
Warren: Let me follow up and clarify here.
Do you think it is not enough for the president to want to abolish 2002 of the authorization to use force, we know that this is the reason for the 2003 Iraq war, and you want him to-do you want Congress to also abolish the 2001 authorization to use force? Li: Of course.
I \'ve been making legislation to do this for many years, because if you have a policy that allows endless war and allows authorization to go to war at any time, anywhere, anywhere then, you really use a resolution that doesn\'t actually include abolishing the first resolution to frustrate your purpose of coming to Congress.
We need to move quickly to the war that is going on with us today and not use any legal basis as Resolution 2001 to continue this war.
We need to discuss a clean authorization.
We need to debate the repeal of Bill 2001 so that we can present the American people\'s views on war today and at this time.
Warren: when it comes to debate, Congressman Lee, President Obama said so about the upcoming debate in Congress. (
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President Obama: In the coming days and weeks, we will continue to work closely with leaders of both parties in Congress.
I believe that this resolution will become stronger with the thoughtful and dignified debate that this moment calls. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Warren: So, how do women members of Congress have a dignified debate?
What do you think must be asked? LEE: Sure.
I am very proud and happy that the president has proposed this resolution.
I hope that the speakers will allow us to debate and discuss in our statements.
Of course, six months have passed since this war, and in many ways this resolution has pushed us forward because we are taking military action.
But I think we need to consider all the options.
I have a resolution, HJ Res-
30, it does not take military action, nor does it rule out military action, but it proposes a comprehensive approach so that we can really deal with the root cause and really dismantle and weaken ISIS.
Many say that many military experts, even the president, say that there is only this very terrible and terrible terrorist organization in terms of dismantling terrorist organizations, and there is no military solution.
So we need to look at a comprehensive approach.
We need to make sure that we address all sources of income and fund the oil sources of ISIL, and we need to look at the flow of foreign fighters into Iraq and Syria.
We need to focus on potential sectarian and ethnic tensions.
So there are many, many issues that need to be addressed to ensure our only national security and to help us make progress in the Middle East, where we can really destroy this very terrible organization.
So we need to debate, but we need to debate all the options, not just the military options.
Warren: Thank you.
Thank you very much to Barbara Lee, a congressman from Berkeley, California.
The new poll results just released this morning reveal the situation in 2016 and three very critical states. (
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Warren: This week, President Obama is not shy about putting the war against ISIS directly in the 2016 spotlight.
Here he explains why his authorization to use force will expire after three years. (
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President Obama: Congress should revisit this issue at the beginning of its next presidential term.
It is conceivable that the task has been completed ahead of time, and it is conceivable that after careful consideration, debate and evaluation, more tasks need to be carried out in this area.
The People\'s Representative of the new president should be able to have such discussions. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Okay, Marcus, I saw your eyebrows standing up there.
How will this affect 2016 of the game?
Marbury: I can\'t help but be influenced by the president and he says it\'s going to be done in a short period of time as you can imagine. No.
No one can imagine.
It was a long struggle.
The next president must deal with it.
As Katon said earlier, the Republican Party\'s position is on the side of the issue.
In the primary, it will be interesting to see who can be the strongest on this issue.
Warren: Caton, I would like to introduce Senator Ted Cruz\'s statement on this and let you respond because he wants to talk more specifically about Islam.
Let me see what he said this week.
\"Congress should strengthen the AUMF by ensuring that the president is committed to clear goals and concrete plans to achieve them.
First, the enemy should be clearly defined as radical Islamic terrorists.
As long as our commander-in-chief refuses to acknowledge who we are fighting, we cannot win the war against radical Islamic terrorism. ” Is he right?
Dawson: Ted Cruz is a spokesman for Ted Cruz.
You know, to some extent, this is in itself a good politics for him right now.
It\'s red meat.
This is probably what the president is trying to do.
No one will deceive himself again who the enemy is.
I don\'t think we have to guess who they are, we see them every night.
So at the end of the day-I think it\'s reasonable to be with a rational person in three years.
But this will always be praised as defense spending increases.
I think all candidates need to be careful.
Although the drums sounded attractive in the campaign speech, some were rational and some were out of fear, there were two things.
Iraq is still a huge place and I think the public may see it in the polls.
Zerizawa: I don\'t think there is much interest in a big war right now.
This is important.
You know, the second problem is that within the Republican Party, among the Democrats who re-authorize the war, there is a lot of disagreement between the two parties.
Any candidate who takes the wrong steps in dealing with this issue can take these rights out and find himself in a minefield.
The economy is still big.
Of course, Democrats will not want to turn to war-era positions and forget the middle class issues that many Democrats are asking.
Warren: Let\'s hear what other potential Republican candidates think about the war. (
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Senator Marco Rubio (R)
Florida: I would say he could ask for a very simple authorization with a sentence written on it.
This is what we authorize the President to defeat and destroy ISIL.
I think that\'s what we need to do. (END VIDEO CLIP)
So Dawson: very smart.
Is that what we need to do?
Dawson: pretty smart.
Congress, of course, is a little deeper than that.
I went back to what he said.
I remember in 2008 I saw Bush\'s poll numbers and how tired Republican voters were of war.
You know, even if we have war hero John McCain, you\'re right.
From now until now, we have a long time.
It is a political football, but it has two sides.
Rury: Rubio is definitely smarter than Cruz says.
ISIL may have multiple addresses for war against ISIL, but not very good addresses.
The war against radical Islam, what is its address, it is everywhere.
Let me get Molly in.
Boys, Boys, boys, let me bring Molly in because the president says he has the mandate, which may confuse some people.
He\'s authorized, but he\'s asking Congress to do so.
Why did he do this, and what is the political good for him?
Otule: I\'m skeptical about the arguments he made last week and what they said they relied on him as commander\'s authorityin-
Captain, they rely on 2001 and 2002 AUMF, so they don\'t need the support of Congress, but they want the support of Congress because they want to show a united front.
I think there is a question of legitimacy here to some extent.
Mr. Obama himself said he wanted to improve and abolish 2001 automatic public elections.
He wanted to abolish 2002 AUMF and then they changed their position and said they relied on it.
Obama is a constitutional scholar.
He basically won the office against Hillary Clinton because he could force her to have her vote on 2002 AUMF so I think it\'s a question of legitimacy but I think it\'s more than anything
Many Republican critics, but many members of Congress can sit down and say that we don\'t know what the president\'s strategy is.
Now, if he forces them to vote publicly and politically share some of the burden of the fight, I think it also gives him some support, especially if it doesn\'t go as planned.
Warren: Also, a new vote on the presidential candidate.
Next, as the attacks continue, take back the latest attacks in a series of snowstorms in the United States. S.
Efforts are still under way. (
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Warren: Snow, above the snow.
This is the problem that people in parts of New England encountered this morning during the new winter storm.
The region has set a record for nearly three weeks.
Most of the devastating snowfall is still on the ground due to a long cold wave.
Coupled with the sharp drop in temperature and the dangerous low wind and cold.
I came from Boston with Adam Reese from MSNBC.
Adam, in what way did the latest snowfall intensify the pain?
We have some technical problems.
Adam, can you hear me?
Adam Reese from MSNBC: I didn\'t hear you.
Adam did not hear us.
He\'s in the snowmobile.
I can\'t hear it.
Warren: Adam, tell us-if you can, tell us what\'s going on in Boston.
I can\'t hear it.
I can\'t hear you.
Adam, can you hear us?
I think the cold weather is chilling Adam\'s microphone.
We\'ll be back to him later, but next, the $100,000 plate fundraiser, how deep is the pocket in the class in 2016? (
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Warren: Despite all the gestures and speculation about potential Republican presidential candidates, this area is open.
You don\'t have to believe us, though.
In a new poll by NBC News/Marist, there are three different leaders in three states.
In Iowa, if a state party group meeting is held today, former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee will beat former Florida governor Jeb Bush and Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker.
According to polls, if the New Hampshire primary is held today, Jeb Bush will be ahead of Walker and Kentucky Senator Rand Paul.
In South Carolina, before any official announcement, the local son, Senator Lindsey Graham, was among the best on the crowded grounds.
The Republican presidential campaign will be a close competition.
Seven different Republicans.
There is digital support for at least one state.
In the race for campaign funds, a potential candidate is far ahead.
According to The Washington Post, Jeb Bush is well ahead of his opponents, and his two political committees are speeding up and accumulating tens of millions of dollars before Earl spring.
According to the post, the former Florida governor\'s overwhelming advantage in the game has come at a rate that has long been impressive --
Time Republican money players say rich Republican supporters have moved quickly to Bush since Mitt Romney decided two weeks ago to oppose another White House campaign.
When we say rich, sometimes we mean real, real rich, like 1% rich.
At a fundraiser in New York last week, about 25 supporters paid at least $100,000 each.
This is one of the six events hosted by the Bush political action committee on similar price tags.
But with the influx of campaign donations, will voters also focus on the money?
Go back to the table and talk about cash and campaign, edit Marcus Marburyat-
Blockbuster by The New York Times, National Republican adviser Caton Dawson, national defense one political journalist Molly Otule, and Princeton University professor Julian zerizer.
Of course I have to come to you first.
At this stage of the game, tell us how important it is to win a money contest instead of a voting contest.
Dawson: It\'s always important to ask Barack Obama to win the money race.
It\'s always important to have cash and ability on hand, but the numbers are what they look like today, and 18% is 18%.
Please note that 36% may win a lot of primaries because most of them are not complicated.
The person who gets the most votes out of 14 tickets may eventually win the most delegates, certainly in South Carolina and then back to the other states.
So my point is that it\'s still early in the race, like NASCAR, they\'re exchanging paint, but they never denigrate Bush\'s financial experts.
Warren: But Bush\'s money making machine scared away Mitt Romney, would it scare away others?
Dawson: I\'m not sure if this will scare away, there are about five people in terms of the Republican Party who have the ability to run for president, five people.
The rest will have a good time in the debate and there will be some surprises as well.
In the Republican primary, everyone flashed a flash of lightning in the bottle.
When you catch it, you catch it from the outside, from the front and from the back from others.
The ambassador is out there, it\'s a given and he\'s doing a good job.
Mitt Romney has gone and he has solved the problem. So we`ll see.
Warren: Marcus, Jeb Bush, who recently sounded like a populist in Detroit, said the recovery is happening everywhere except for family salaries.
How does he connect with middle-class and working-class families to buy a dinner plate for $100,000?
Well, I think our media is very unfair to politicians.
I rarely say that.
Is this not our job?
We are unfair to politicians.
How can he have so many people for dinner?
It costs so much to run for office in the United States.
Whether you run to catch a dog, it\'s expensive.
Running for president is ridiculous.
We will have another billion-dollar game.
If you want to have a democracy that can buy so many offices, it\'s disgusting.
This is shameful.
But it\'s not Jeb Bush\'s fault.
It\'s all our fault, it\'s society\'s fault, so it\'s a problem.
We can\'t call that guy out for this.
What I\'m interested in is that I don\'t think Mitt Romney is scared away by anyone\'s money.
I don\'t think Mitt Romney is afraid of money.
He can buy his own election with his own money without emptying his bank account.
So this is not the problem.
Jeb Bush tried to scare others away with the money.
Mitt Romney was frightened by the fact that he might be humiliated again, and that\'s what Republican loyalists say, so it\'s a problem. Mrs.
Romney certainly does not want to run.
The problem with Jeb is to scare away four other people who will have the money to compete in this game.
Zerizawa: everyone takes money at this point.
Both sides accept that you can be rich and progressive.
Franklin Roosevelt is very rich. he is the most progressive president.
The question is, what is the Republican policy?
Where did they take the money from, some would argue that they were different about policies that helped the American working class.
Warren: I \'d like to ask you from a policy perspective.
Jeb has just released his post-reform conservative opinion, which sounds a bit familiar.
Remember his brother\'s compassionate conservatism as proposed by his philosophy.
How much do we know about reform conservatism?
Ze: in fact, many Republicans are asking this question.
To George W. Bush.
In fact, this is important in the 2000 campaign, and I don\'t think Democrats should be too taken lightly.
Many people think Democrats are not doing well in dealing with these core economic issues.
I believe Republicans can play a role in the election.
There is a disconnect from Republican policies, tax cuts and financial aid, and the sources of these poverty arguments. O`TOOLE: Right.
I do think compassionate Conservatives, this post-reform conservatives, whatever name you want to give it.
I do think it might be convincing.
It is clear that Republicans have suffered in the last few elections, from a policy point of view and from a social point of view, in terms of diversity, and how to attract minority voters who will only play a bigger role.
This will be bigger in 2016 than in 2012 and bigger than in 2008.
I think Bush represents post-reform conservatives.
He also has a more moderate stance on issues such as immigration.
This will be the real key to winning some voters who have lost to the Republican Party in the last few elections.
Marbury: You\'re talking about the election.
You have to win the primary before you run for president.
I\'m not sure if these voters will be as enthusiastic about the idea that this populist middle class is left behind as they are with other economic messages, so I \'d love to know that.
Let me ask you all.
Is it good or bad to have no leader in the Republican field?
This seems to be an open field.
But I\'m also curious, who do you think will get the first fire out.
Dawson: go and ask the top two leaders how it feels to be the leader.
Hillary Clinton
Ask how they feel. she\'s not running yet.
By the way, she is at the top of polls in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina.
Zerizawa: I think it\'s a good thing for the party.
I think the party sometimes uses these primaries to have a more dynamic and robust debate on what should be, and to come up with more ideas on that.
But we must remember that fundamentals are important.
I think this is still a big story in the long run.
Once you get into the real season, he will kill people if you don\'t have enough money to compete.
So I think this debate is good, but we have to keep a close eye on fundraising.
Dawson: You\'re right because the calendar is very different.
Both move the meeting to the calendar.
About 28 to 35-day race.
Who has the money t jump first on Super Tuesday, most of them won\'t jump after passing through South Carolina.
Warren: I would like to point out that Barbara Bush, Governor Bush\'s mother, changed her mind.
She wouldn\'t mind another Bush in the White House.
OK, next, the political shock line for 40 years is forming, but first, look at what happened to the crew members of Saturday Night Live and Thompson met the real priest. (
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Unidentified male: come right away and we will be talking about something, please keep an eye on it.
Come back from commercial advertising.
We will be back soon.
Male: Keenan Thomas
Male: Keenan Thompson
Unidentified male: Pastor Sharpton. (END VIDEO CLIP)(
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Warren: The news that Jon Stewart is about to retire has rocked many fans of clever and interesting funny political commentary.
Another show proved that politics was a joke.
Tonight, \"Saturday Night Live\" will broadcast a three-and-a-half-hour prime-time special on NBC to celebrate its 40 th anniversary.
Some of the most famous actors will be there, including Chevy Chase, Tina Fay, Dana Cavi and many others who bring us some of the most enduring political imitation.
Here are some of our favorite models over the years. (Start Video)
Unidentified male: If I don\'t win, I will go ahead with the primary even if I don\'t, and now is my second announcement.
Man: Remember, sir.
Hussain, the venom of the American cobra is really spit.
It is not prudent not to spit.
What\'s your name, sweetheart?
Her name is Shakira.
Unidentified male: Shakira, meaning African Princess, isn\'t it?
Woman: Why, yes!
Well, she is really beautiful enough as a princess.
Are you going to finish your fries?
Unidentified male: I am the president of the United States and I need a clear answer.
Shall I get the reconnaissance plane back?
I think diplomacy should be the cornerstone of any foreign policy.
I can see Russia from my house.
America, I know you don\'t love me anymore, but I want you to know that my heart is still beating for you and I can prove that.
I love you so much. It\'s fun, right?
Do you want this or this? END VIDEOTAPE)
Okay Julian, tell us how political humor affects politicians over time?
Ze: Well, the politicians themselves have also shown humor, some people like Ronald Reagan use this humor very effectively to cut a joke in a debate with opponents like Jimmy Carter or Walter Mundell tend to disappoint them.
But you already have programs like \"Saturday Night Live\" that are very effective.
Gerald Ford, who was shaped by Chevy Chase as Krutz, has had an impact on our ideas, even though he is a football player and athlete.
There are a lot of people, George W.
In terms of what people think of his wisdom, Bush number one is very devastating.
Warren: it reminds me of the lock box in 2000.
Zerezer: like Sarah Palin, these people joined the campaign.
This is a new and amazing phenomenon in which the Tina Fey or Sarah Palin we are talking about can hardly distinguish them.
You give advice to many politicians.
What advice would you give to those who find out that he or she herself is the butt of the late night comedy circle, the butt of the joke?
Dawson: you\'re unlucky, man.
Politicians now understand that,Hour news cycle
Every word they say has content.
They were all caught there.
Who started the fire?
They are comfortable when they make mistakes.
Especially your own jokes.
It works to put down jokes, they do.
But when you become the narrator of a show like \"Saturday Night Live\", it has a huge audience and the ability to play clips and clips again, for those who work for you, this is not a real good day.
Sarah ry: Sarah Palin is more than anyone, she is more than anyone.
I\'m looking at HBO\'s documentary about her game changes in that book, and Sarah Palin-the real Sarah Palin and Tina Faye blend together in that documentarycalled.
Because I can\'t imagine Palin thinking that.
But Tina Faye was the loveliest part of Sarah Palin in that campaign, which was a bit sad.
Warren: Molly, are politicians as worried about their comedy critics as they are about news critics?
I think they will.
We are sad that Jon Stewart is going to step down, but for a while, a lot of Americans are there to hear from them.
So I think they\'re more in tune.
I think it will play a bigger role than it used to in the social media era, reaching 2016, and I think people are very, very comfortable with that.
I think they have to learn to laugh at themselves.
We want to think of politicians as very smart people, with all the ideas, but also very down-to-earth and we can relate to them, so I think you have to laugh.
Warren: I think we \'ve recently seen President Obama encourage people to sign up for the ACA in the Buzzfeed video, which makes us happy.
How important is the president to have a sense of humor?
I think this is very effective.
This is a good way to chase another candidate without appearing obnoxious and mean.
Reagan was attacked in his 1980 s because he was too old, and he was too old for Walter Mundell.
He said I would not deal with him with the age of my opponent and his experience and youth.
This is a very effective route.
In 1980, he did the same thing to Jimmy Carter.
Carter gave a long talk about health care and Reagan just went there and you went again and he killed it.
So I think you can use humor very well, but it can also help you with what you say.
Humor is news in the soft news age and you need to respond.
Warren: Julian, as our presidential historian, let me talk to you.
Who do you think is our most natural and interesting president and why?
Lyndon Johnson is very interesting on the phone.
He tells stories. he tells jokes.
He can beat you up.
I think Reagan and George W.
When Bush wants to respond to some of their criticisms, they may actually be interesting.
Then, some people are interesting by accident.
Gerald Ford became a typical example. he didn\'t want to be as interesting as Al Gore, but he was just a source of humorous writers.
Warren: It\'s been 40 years since Saturday night live.
\"Didn\'t you go back?
We are in a political era and have to respond to imitation and comedy critics?
Dawson: The air has changed.
Now everyone has the world in their pockets, and we have a list of where to go now. It`s changed.
It\'s not as interesting as it used to be.
You know, these things are important, but when you\'re with politicians and all the microphones are turned off, they\'re all fun.
They won\'t be there if they don\'t have charm, but it\'s a dangerous part of the campaign.
This is a dangerous place to try-especially a politician who is really not interesting and trying to go.
It\'s just a real killing.
MABRY: it has nothing to do with Palin.
We can discuss this in the next hour.
Thanks to Marcus Marbury, carton Dawson and Molly ortour.
Julian will be back in the next hour.
Please be sure to start at 8: 00/7: 00 Central time and watch NBC\'s special \"Saturday Night Live\" tonight.
Next, FBI director Frank spoke about race and security and the big controversy that rocked small league baseball.
More nerdland at the top of the hour. (
Business break)
Welcome back.
I\'m Dorian Warren from Melissa Harris. Perry.
Now, we want to bring you the latest news of yesterday\'s shooting in Copenhagen, what the Danish authorities call a terrorist attack.
The first shooting was against the cartoonist of the comic Prophet Muhammad.
One person attending the event was killed and three police officers were injured.
The second goal is the synagogue.
A man who provided security was killed.
Two police officers were injured.
Danish police now say people suspected of carrying out the attacks were killed in a gun battle with authorities.
Peter Keldorff, a reporter from Copenhagen, Denmark, is on the phone with me now. he is a reporter from the Danish Broadcasting Corporation.
Peter, who is this shooter?
Danish broadcaster peter keldorff (on the phone)
We are not sure yet.
The police don\'t say much.
All we know is that our Danish intelligence agency and police have informed them in advance that they know the person.
They did not say anything specific to him.
They didn\'t want to reveal his name and they told us we knew his ID, but at this point in the investigation we didn\'t want to tell his name.
They are now running an Internet cafe several times in Copenhagen.
Several reports on the arrest of many people in the area where the first attack occurred yesterday, and earlier today there were also large-scale police operations.
The police don\'t usually talk about it, especially who this guy might be.
Warren: It seems to be very similar to the attacks on \"Charlie Weekly\" and Jewish supermarkets in Paris.
Is there any evidence of contact?
KELDORFF: there is no conclusive evidence yet, but police and intelligence agencies say it looks the same way as the attacks in Paris.
This is the same pattern.
There are also politicians, Danish politicians, and, as I said, the police and intelligence agencies have indicated that it may seem like an attack, with the same pattern as what happened in France.
First you attack a cartoonist who draws the Prophet Muhammad, and then you go to the Jews-in this case it is a synagogue and a Jewish temple.
Warren: can you tell us the background of these shootings in Denmark?
Is this what the Danish people expect?
Expected is a very difficult word.
I will go further with fear.
But yes, you are right, people have been worried that this will happen to the Danish population.
Denmark has objections to Muhammad\'s painting.
Originally ten years ago, the Danish newspaper Jyllands en first painted the first picture of the Prophet Muhammad, and then threatened the newspaper several times.
The Danish embassy was burned ten years, eight years, nine years, ten years ago, so yes, this is within the reach of what people know, more or less will happen, and people here feel
Warren: Thank you, Peter Keldorf from Copenhagen.
Now let\'s talk about a key issue in the country, security and race.
This week, the impassioned appeal of the Campaign for Racial Justice joined an unexpected new voice, which called for recognition and response to security issues in the communities of color, the director of the FBI.
FBI Director James B.
Comey gave a speech on race and law enforcement at Georgetown University, not only because of its frankness, but also because of its unconventional character.
Comey\'s speech marks the first time the FBI director has spoken so openly and directly about race and police, this is a time that carries the bureau\'s own worrying history. The game Comey acknowledged this fact in his speech. (
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FBI Director James Comey: I asked all new agents and analysts to study the FBI\'s interaction with the doctor for a reason.
Martin Luther King Jr.
As part of their training, visit his monument in Washington.
There is a reason why I put a copy of Attorney General Robert Kennedy approving J. on my desk
Edgar Hoover\'s request for hackingKing.
This is a single page.
The whole application is five sentences long.
No facts or substance.
And based on naked assertions, citing \"the influence of communism in the racial situation \".
\"The reason I do these things is to make sure we remember our mistakes and learn from them. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Warren: these lessons include a series of inner truths Comey says he has to face, including how people are misled by deep-rooted beliefs, and what we can obviously learn from it to sing puppets. (
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Comey: Many studies have shown the prevalence of unconscious bias.
In most of our white cultures, many people have unconscious racial bias, and the response to white people is different from that to black people.
In fact, we have all kinds of prejudices, whether white or black.
I think of the song \"Everyone is a little racist\" on Broadway popular Avenue Q. ” (END VIDEO CLIP)
Warren: Comey went on to describe how this bias forms the basis of the racial profiling of the police. (
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Comey: two young black people on the side of the street look like many others, and the police officers have locked them up.
Two white people on the other side of the street, even wearing the same clothes, do not do so.
The official did not share the same view of the two white men.
Whether the officer is white or black
Driving different behaviors. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Warren: He called on law enforcement not only to recognize how their bias affects their behavior, but to use empathy to change the situation. (
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Comey: our law enforcement officers must redouble their efforts to resist prejudice and prejudice.
We must have a better understanding of the people we serve and protect, and strive to gain a deeper understanding of what it feels like to be a law --
Walking in the street, meet young black law enforcement officers.
We must understand how the young man sees us.
We must resist cynical lazy shortcuts and approach him with respect and decency. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Warren: Comey finally came up with a policy proposal that he said would be the first step in understanding the scope of police bias in communities of color. (
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Comey: how do we solve the problem of using force?
How do we solve the police officer problem?
If we do not have a reliable grasp of the population and circumstances of these incidents, there will be shootings?
We must improve the way we collect and analyze data to understand the real nature of what is happening in our community. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Warren: Director Comey called for more data, which would address the FBI\'s challenges in collecting comprehensive statistics of police shootings from local law enforcement, but the numbers do not stop bullets.
This week, communities of color who have never stopped counting lives lost or threatened by police violence continue to increase their numbers. Thirty five-year-
Old Antonio Zambrano Montse was shot dead by police in Washington on Tuesday, allegedly throwing stones at the police. Fifteen-year-
Old Jamar Nicholson was hit in the back by a Los Angeles policeman while standing next to a friend with a toy gun. Fifty seven-year-
Old Sureshbhai Patel came from India to Alabama to visit his son, who was partially paralyzed when a policeman dropped him on the ground.
The response to the 911 call was that the caller called Patel \"a skinny black man\" who had never seen him before walking nearby.
So while director Comey\'s speech ended the FBI\'s leadership silence on race and policing, it was clear that the effort needed to achieve meaningful change was just beginning.
Now with me is Seema Iyer, the docket host for the MSNBC Shift, and Monifa Bandele, a criminal and civil rights lawyer-please forgive Monifa, the police reform community.
Community organizer Cherrell Brown of the Justice League of New York and Julian Salazar, professor of history and public affairs at Princeton University.
Marquez Claxton, from Columbia, South Carolina, joined me as director of the Black Law Enforcement Union and a retired New York police detective.
I want to start with you, Seema.
Because beyond what the FBI director said was important, Comey really didn\'t bring anything new to the discussion.
We have heard criticism from Attorney General Eric Holder, and we have also heard criticism from New York Mayor Bill de Blasio, so what is the point of this speech?
Moderator seema iyer: not much for me.
The Supreme Court in New York has a judge who says people should not be honored for their jobs.
Part of his job is to recognize his community, the people he serves, and the reality.
You shouldn\'t give him that much credit.
Just because you give a speech doesn\'t change what\'s actually happening in these communities.
This needs to be implemented. WARREN: Okay.
So when it comes to implementation and solutions, I want to play the voice of one of the solutions that Comey put forward in his speech and let you respond. (
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Comey: Let me be transparent about the feelings of the police.
Whether you are white or black, the police are here when you call 911.
They\'re coming soon.
Whether they are white or black, they are coming soon.
That\'s what the police did. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Warren: So we\'re really looking for the voice of my brother\'s goalkeeper.
So, he said in his speech, I want you to respond to this Cherrell.
The truth is, what really needs to be addressed is that there are only a few things that people like President Obama are willing to talk about, perhaps because through the Guardian initiative of my brother, this is such a daunting task, the president is addressing a disproportional challenge for young people of color.
Does this make sense in a speech about the tension between law enforcement and the communities they serve?
Cherrell brown, community organizer of the Justice League in New York: Well, I personally think my brother\'s goalkeeper is the scope of my duties.
You\'re getting all these resources in Obama\'s key program around race and applying it to half of the community.
Black girls and brown girls are also known as traditional girls including transgender people.
So I don\'t think it\'s far enough.
I\'m afraid we will be very excited about accepting this decent politics.
You can come from a good family, you can have a good job, get an education and still be discriminated against by the police.
We saw this with Henry Louis Gates a few years ago.
I\'m looking for you, Marquez.
Because Comey\'s conclusion is that more data is needed.
I would like to ask you, is the policy solution that he has proposed commensurate with the scope of the issues raised?
Frankly, what if the FBI has any impact on changing police policy and local departments?
Black Law Enforcement Alliance marquez claxton: The FBI has a significant impact and influence on local security issues and efforts.
I think the comments of Director Comey are substantive and have not seen so far whether they are important and whether some steps will be taken to really take a proactive part and shift attention to the country\'s
Let\'s know something.
Many activists and individuals across the country have been calling for criminal justice reform.
What Director Comey did and what his former attorney general, Eric Holder, and even President Obama did, laid a platform not only for reform, but also for the actual reconstruction of Criminal Justice, which is better
I believe that if there is clear evidence that not only reform is needed, it needs to be rebuilt based on Comey\'s comments and the reality that so many people across the country face.
So we played the video of the 911 call before.
Not the video, but Comey said, hey, the police came when people called 911. But if you --
It would be great if you lived in a neighborhood with a high crime rate.
We are very happy to see the police.
But, as we can see, sir
In Patel, Alabama, 911 of the calls are not over for people of color.
What should we think of the FBI director\'s statement?
Monifa bandele, a community united for police reform: well, i\'m glad you pointed this out because last week I was a family at the sending time of Kenneth Bolin who was a retired soldier 911 called the alarm when the medical alarm sounded in his hand, he was eventually shot dead by police in Westchester, New York.
It\'s just a story and the story continues.
When I heard a speech from the director of the FBI, something I was listening to, something he was saying, but one thing I missed, what will be the policy on accountability and justice?
We can continue to do a lot of training, we can get the data to analyze the problem, we can even develop policies to push things forward, but now, Akai Gley, his family received the indictment, but it won\'t get him back, will they get justice?
Will they be held accountable?
I think this is the fifth question if you talk about four tricky questions.
I think the fifth tricky question is, how do we hold the police accountable? WARREN: Right.
BANDELE: he talked about the fact that there is no more widespread racial bias in the police than academics and artists.
Well, none of my college professors carry guns, so I think it\'s also a key essential part of accountability and justice.
Marquez, I want you to come back soon.
It\'s hard for the FBI to attract black agents, which has actually dropped from five.
6% between 1997 and 4.
7% Africa, 2012-
S. agents and directors themselves say it is difficult to attract potential candidates to leave the private sector to work for the government.
Thinking about these numbers.
CLAXTON: Look, there are agencies across the country that claim the same difficulty in attracting minority or black employees, and in fact, what we have to check is whether there is a real will to attract those employees, the blacks entered law enforcement.
But we need to know something.
This does not necessarily change the dynamics we face across the country, it is not the situation of the forces, it is the climate, the rules, the regulations within the forces, you know, the culture within the particular institutions.
Therefore, if the application of the rule or rule remains the same, only changing the skin color will not have a significant impact.
So we should stress a little less, and while I support increasing representation and diversifying the law enforcement we\'re talking about, we have to be honest before we change the climate, before we rebuild the criminal justice system again, we will face the same problems and the same problems of different complex populations.
Warren: Thank you, Marquez Clayton, Columbia, South Carolina.
Next, more details about the police officer accused of shooting Akai Gley began to surface. (
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Brooklyn District Attorney Ken Thompson: they can hear someone running away after shooting.
Then 4 minutes late.
Then, when they went downstairs to see him lying there, the evidence would indicate that they did not provide medical assistance to the gentleman. Gurley.
Just like the training they received at the police academy. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Warren: this is the evidence that Brooklyn District Attorney Ken Thompson submitted to the grand jury, and on Wednesday he submitted a 6-
Police officer Peter Liang, who shot 28 people dead with a open gun, chargesyear-
In last November, old Akai Gurley was in the stairwell of the Brooklyn residential project.
Seema, I would like to come to you first, as we have seen the jury\'s recent decision not to sue the shootings of Eric Garner and Michael Brown, who are reluctant to sue the police.
What\'s the difference in this situation?
He did not testify.
I think this is a very compelling factor.
As a matter of fact, on behalf of the brother of Akai Gley, it is totally irrelevant.
But I guess there\'s no other explanation because he didn\'t testify.
I understand his lawyer\'s decision not to do so.
His hand is on the gun.
His finger pulled the trigger.
They changed the gun pressure since 1990, so you need more pressure to pull the trigger, all of which led to him not giving evidence.
I think that if he testified, he might not have been prosecuted for manslaughter, but still be prosecuted for manslaughter.
Warren: Cherrell, I would like to ask you if this moment feels just given that there was no prosecution in the previous shooting pieces?
Brown: No, because we know that prosecution is not equal to justice.
We saw this on Diallo, we saw this on Bell, we saw this on Graham. ph).
Unfortunately the bar is set so low that so far the belief seems to be --
It feels like some kind of Justice to file an indictment.
We know this is not the case.
Nearly 180 police officers in New York.
In relation to the shooting incident, I think four of them were prosecuted, one was convicted and there was no time to serve a sentence.
So if history is to believe, I don\'t think justice will be done in this case.
Warren: Monifa, I want to play more voices from Washington. A. Thompson.
Let\'s listen. BANDELE: Okay. (
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Thompson: The police chief said that, depending on the circumstances, it is free for the police to pull out the gun while patrolling vertically.
But the evidence in this case suggests that the officer put his finger on the trigger of the gun and, without threat, shot the gun into the dark stairwell. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Warren: The Dark stairwells in the housing program have led to the killing of other unarmed teenagers and police in these vertical patrols, which they call police.
In addition to policing practice, I would like to know if, here, this case also points to the need to revisit the public housing policy on safety and lighting, essentially the use of lighting in these developments.
BANDELE: Yes, all of these issues need to be addressed, but on the last day of police patrolling this housing project, this is to protect and serve all residents of the project.
If you walk up and down the stairs and put your hands on the trigger, how can you protect the residents of the building?
In that housing project, you actually put every man, woman, child, grandparents in danger.
So, you know, it really needs to be questioned-you know, what is the ultimate goal of housing projects being regulated.
I think the other thing, you know, I want to simply go back to the indictment, which is that Ken Thompson wants the indictment.
And I think, when we look back at the Proceedings of the grand jury of St. Ferguson,
Luiz county, it is clear that the prosecutor may or may not want to sue.
Absolutely.
BANDELE: You know, as many of us who sit on the grand jury and serve on the grand jury, the indictment is not very far and very rare only when you talk about the police.
So Ken Thompson wants an indictment and I think that\'s why we got it.
Seema, I saw you take a bite.
Well, I just agree with everything she said, but I also want to point out that I do go to the east of New York a lot and I \'ve been to the pink house and it\'s so incredibly dangerous and terrible, one of the worst areas.
It\'s almost barren, it\'s like a war zone.
I think this is a good point for you to come up with lighting, because I go to different projects during the day and night, where there are stairwells for lighting, so I think this is a good point.
So, I think -- it\'s important.
As a result, South Asia advocacy group Salt has released a list of calls for prosecution of police in response to violence against Mr. Salt by police in Alabama
Patel and some of them have disclosed training procedures that currently communicate and interact with limited English proficiency and members of the immigrant community.
Training of all police officers to respond more effectively to immigrants and LEP individuals.
Cherrell, very quickly, what do we think about how the police communicate with the community they serve?
Brown: I think that\'s where this case is really interesting in Alabama, and its core is still the-blackness. Right?
Called the officer because the man described it.
Patel is a skinny black man.
Then the police came, provided it was a black man he was arresting.
Of course, the inability to communicate has played a role in this regard.
I think it\'s very important that we think about how to train police officers to interact with communities that they can\'t communicate effectively.
On the issue of patrol, vertical patrol is very fast, just like broken window patrol. Right?
I think that if the city is concerned about crimes or violence that may occur due to bad conditions, then perhaps we should address these issues rather than conviction and surveillance of people living in these conditions. Right?
Julian, I want you to come in, but unfortunately we have to go.
Seema is nearby.
Thanks to Monfa Bandel, Cherrell Brown and Julian Salazar.
Prior to our break, Supreme Court judge Ruth Bud Ginsberg made an opinion on race issues during a matchon-
An interview with MSNBC reporter Irin Carmon.
Here are some of their conversations. (
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Irin carmon, MSNBC correspondent: I want to know how you see the status quo of racial relations in our country.
Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bud Ginsberg: the person who thinks you can wave your wand and the legacy of the past will end is blind.
CARMON: should we be concerned that all these great achievements of the civil rights movement are going backwards?
Ginsberg: one day, we will go back to the legislature that we should have, where members want to make things work no matter which party they belong. (END VIDEO CLIP)