trump attorneys send bannon cease and desist transcript 1/3/18 the last word with lawrence o’donnell

Show: Last Word with Lawrence o\'donnelldate: guest of January 3, 2018: Ron Klain David FrumLAWRENCE O\'Donnell air host: Good evening Rachel.
As you can see, the beard is gone.
I know you voted for the beard, but let me tell you.
As I told you, the votes in the Twitter universe are in favor and against.
Rachel maddow trms, MSNBC host: Yes.
O\'Donnell: But voters who vote against it often use two very disturbing words for me.
One of the words is old. MADDOW: Oh.
O\'Donnell: very disturbing.
Another more disturbing thing is the word Bannon. MADDOW: Oh!
O\'Donnell: not a lot of nights that look like Steve Bannon.
No, not tonight, Rachel. No.
It\'s not night.
Do you know?
You will stand up even if you wear three shirts (ph)
At the end of your nose, your hair gets weird, no matter what you do, you can\'t look like Steve Bannon\'s beard, Lawrence O\'Donnell.
Don\'t let anyone scare you.
I don\'t think anyone can do it.
Rachel, I want to go back to what you reported earlier on the show about Rod Rosenstein going to the Speaker of the House today.
This is charming.
We know very little about it, but you frame it as much as you can.
Here, he faces a request, summons and request from Devin Nunes to produce the documents we know of the full FBI investigation.
MADDOW: Yes, it\'s a very sensitive part at least.
Yes, very good.
They clearly look as if the FBI director and Rod Rosenstein simply crossed the head of Nunes and explained to the Speaker why they should not comply.
MADDOW: It looks like this from a distance.
I mean, there are a lot of very unusual things about this.
First, we do not know at all that this will happen.
Secondly, our report is that, prior to that meeting, the Department of Justice really planned to hand over the information to Nunes under that request, and we know what he is asking.
We asked for something very, very sensitive in the course of the investigation, and we know that the Department of Justice did not hand over that information after that meeting.
We don\'t know what happened in that room.
Sources familiar with the meeting told us that the topic of the conversation must be the Russian investigation.
I don\'t know what it means. we have to look at it.
The head of the Intelligence Committee is Devin Nunes.
Given the Russian investigation, he could not have been a more controversial figure in the role.
But Paul Ryan is really able to stay out of the box on all issues related to Russia.
If he had just been persuaded by the FBI director and the de facto attorney general in charge of the Russian investigation, to enter the way of Nunes, but to do so in other ways, it was a very big development.
It is very important in terms of who is involved and who is responsible.
O\'Donnell: In the early days of this story, last year, Devin Nunez was consulting with Paul Ryan on the various steps he was going to take to see what would happen with this step. MADDOW: Yes.
O\'Donnell: Thank you very much, Rachel.
Thank you, Lawrence.
O\'Donnell: Thank you.
Well, the president of the United States is a weak man, weak in his mind, unable to read, unable to listen, controlled by vanity, forcing him to make a delicate hairstyle with the hair around the skull that was reduced by surgery, A hairstyle whose mission is to cover the shiny bald roof above the head.
He does not allow the staff of the White House housekeeping department to replace the sheets on his bed before he takes off the used sheets himself, perhaps because of the fear that those who work at the White House find out what pain he might suffer? Incontinence?
It is common for the president to eat hamburgers in bed at 6: 30. m.
Instead of calling people he thinks are his friends and acquaintances, complaining about these White House advisers, including sons --in-
The law, no one thinks-the president thinks nobody is as smart as he thinks.
But in a briefing on the Constitution of the United States, because Donald Trump\'s attention time was spent on the Fourth Amendment, the brief had to give up.
Unfortunately, for the president, the Fifth Amendment has now become the most important part of the Constitution, and many of his staff are under investigation by the special prosecutor.
This is a photo of the president of the United States published by Michael Wolfe in a new book today, called \"fire and anger: Inside Trump\'s White House \".
\"The president\'s response to what Steve Bannon said in that book today comes down to this.
He lost his mind.
In a book published last year, the president\'s mental health was negatively diagnosed by 27 psychiatrists and mental health professionals, who are now defending himself against the new book.
He lost his mind.
But this is just the first day of the book\'s propaganda, and the book also shows Rupert Murdoch hanging up after talking to President Trump and saying, how bad it ising idiot.
There is no news of Donald Trump\'s reaction to this.
Is Murdoch crazy?
Is Ivanka Trump crazy?
That\'s why she described in her book the way her father painstakingly tidied his hair?
To cover up what she said, he had a huge bald top on top of his head, and his bald top became smaller by surgical scalp reduction.
Will he say that his daughter lost her mind because of the story?
If this book says everyone in Donald Trump\'s negative remarks is crazy, then they are crazy, all the men of the president and all the women of the president are crazy.
The president\'s wife, who has not yet held a press conference promised by the president during the campaign, will explain through a spokesperson the legal record of her immigration history, and she criticized the book today, calling it a junk tabloid novel, because it reports that when Donald Trump won the Electoral College on election night, Melania Trump was upset and tearful, and nothing in the Trump world wanted to happen, nobody in the Trump world clearly wants to happen, including Melania Trump.
The book quotes Michael Flynn\'s words to tell friends that the $45,000 he gets from the Russians for the speech is not to worry about, because quoting him, if we win, it will be
The book insists that on election day, everyone in the Trump world is planning the life and income they think the second place will receive.
Donald Trump Jr.
The book quoted him as saying that when his father realized that he had won the electoral college, he seemed to have seen a ghost.
The book is about incompetence, running an incompetent presidential campaign for an incompetent candidate, and then he becomes an incompetent and dangerous president.
The book quoted Steve Bannon as saying that Donald Trump Jr. had a meeting
A group of Russians were arranged during the Trump Tower campaign, where Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort attended as traitors.
They will hit Xiao Tang, Bannon said.
Like an egg on national television.
One source of the book is Katie Walsh, who served as deputy chief of staff of the White House in the first few months of Trump\'s White House.
Here\'s how Michael Wolfe expresses Katie Walsh\'s view of the commanderin-chief.
He did not process any information in the traditional sense. He didn`t read.
He did not even browse.
Some people think that he is only half a man for all practical purposes. literate.
No matter how insignificant or irrelevant, he trusts his expertise, he is more confident than anyone else, but he is often paralyzed, not so much as a scholar, it is better to say that he is a dangerous restless man with a splash, and his reaction is a fierce attack, acting like his intuition, no matter how confused, in fact, tell him what to do in a clear and powerful way.
It\'s like trying to figure out what a child wants, says Walsh.
Now joining us is John heilemmann, national affairs analyst at NBC News and MSNBC, opinion writer Jonathan Capehart for The Washington Post and MSNBC contributors.
And we, Ron Crane, former Vice President Joe Biden\'s chief of staff, and Al Gore, a senior aide to former President Barack Obama.
John Heilemann, during the campaign, you have some very good sources of overtime in the Trump world.
Did you read in Michael Wolfe\'s report that the echo of the sound you heard with the same access?
John Hillman, national affairs analyst at NBC News and MSNBC: I think something different has happened in this book.
One of them is that I think he paints a broad picture of their prospects on election night, what they expect from the results of election night and people\'s plans, that is, they don\'t win, how they will continue to work, especially, Trump believes that the better insight to fail in some respects than to win is right. O`DONNELL: Yes.
HEILEMANN: I think there are a lot of them in this book too-a lot of delicious scores are settling in and you can\'t read what Bannon said in the book, the pixel news is as charming as the news, because it is a measure of what is the limit of the person who determines the direction of this president\'s term, and decides that he is ready to reduce losses, he makes a variety of different distinctions, made a different choice for some of the shots that deserve it, but for things like Don ·
People like Jared Kushner, people he never likes, people he never respects.
But all of this has the feeling that a president\'s term may certainly be threatened.
History is now on the side of saving Donald Trump, not sticking to him, which is an interesting thing because Steve Bannon of all the diseases is not a stupid person.
O\'Donnell: it\'s clear, Ron Crane, once again, we \'ve never seen something like this before, the former White House consultant leaves the White House like this, and then gives this kind of information about the inside of the White House, but not just Steve Bannon.
I mean, Steve Bannon is the headline today.
Michael Wolfe\'s exposure to everyone working at the White House has a negative view of the president.
Ron Crane, former Vice President Biden\'s chief of staff: Yes, Lawrence, that\'s incredible.
I mean, you know, there\'s an old one (INAUDIBLE)
Among the Eskimos so exposed to winter, they have 23 words for snow.
What impressed you with this book is that whether it\'s Mnuchin or McMaster or Cohn, everyone around Trump calls him stupid or idiot.
Like they have 23 different words for idiots.
I mean, it\'s an amazing portrait of the president as an idiot, as an incompetent.
It\'s not his political enemy, it\'s not an enemy, it\'s not someone like me, it\'s someone closest to him who works with him at the White House every day.
You will see this when you read the excerpt from this book.
O\'Donnell: Jonathan Capehart, Maggie harberman, reported the new rules for the White House in the New York Times tonight.
As of next week, West Wing staff were told they could no longer use their personal phones to multiple assistants.
They were told this early in the semester, but now this is being enforced as security issues are cited.
There is no doubt, Jonathan, that there is a reference to the concerns of the leak.
Jonathan Capehart, MSNBC contributor: Lawrence, I mean, at the end of the New York magazine adaptation of Michael Wolfe\'s book, where he said, he has been interviewed more than 200 times, including the president and some of them-in the story about the book and the adaptation of the book, he made it clear, the biggest possible leaker is the president of the United States.
With regard to the White House\'s new rules on the use of personal phones, it seems that the rules came a little too late.
Also, when we all know that Michael Wolfe basically built a card table, what\'s the use of the phone? A small table in the West Wing lobby, because he can enter the West Wing, in order to write what we are all talking about now, to the government, is this his book?
O\'Donnell: And, John, there\'s a paragraph here about Michael Wolfe who doesn\'t know who\'s on the receiving end of President Donald Trump\'s call, but he knows it\'s 26 minutes now and he reports it like a line by line.
It\'s like Michael Wolfe on the other end of the phone, and we know he can get in touch with President Trump.
During the campaign, during the campaign, he made his profile.
So Donald Trump is likely to be one of the main sources of the book.
HEILEMANN: that\'s true.
Look, one of the realities that Michael Wolfe captured in this book is this picture of the president and Melania Trump in their separate bedroom, since the days when John Kennedy was sitting in bed eating a cheeseburger, we have never seen unusual arrangements.
By the way, I have no problem eating a cheeseburger in bed.
As reported in the book, I am in favor of Donald Trump\'s actions, but-making these endless calls.
We saw it too.
Bill Clinton did the same.
It\'s not a bed thing, it\'s a late night phone call to call people and keep them connected with the world.
That\'s what Trump did.
There may be a lot of people. he has 26-
Phone with minutes.
When Michael Wolfe starts doing interviews for books that people have to ask, the question is, is the quotation marks before and after the interview true or not?
Because if they are real, there are two things that are real, either Michael Wolfe\'s phone or someone else\'s recorded phone. O`DONNELL: Yes.
Heilemmann: or, as I said, the quotes are not used properly.
However, if they may be used then there must be an answer to this question.
We won\'t-maybe no one will-force him to say who this person is, but there are some problems.
But my guess is that this call is similar to the 100 other calls Trump made in that timeframe.
Whether these words are accurate or not, it has a ring of truth.
It feels very much like taking risks, Trump expressed some grievances to many people last year, and I heard about them from many sources.
O\'Donnell: Also, Ron Crane, a lot about how he criticized his employees, including Jared Kushner.
In this type of phone call that we are reading, he either has an adjective or something negative to say.
So, it\'s an unusual form of late-night presidential phone call, to put it mildly. KLAIN: Yes.
I mean, obviously, if one of the topics of the book is that the president\'s senior clerk thinks he\'s an idiot, the other topic of the book is, the president thinks his senior staff is full of idiots.
So, it\'s not a very beautiful picture anyway.
O\'Donnell: they could all be right.
KLAIN: this is possible.
O\'Donnell: they could all be right.
KLAIN: of course.
We may support the same rule that a person needs to know a person, which may be what we see in this book.
But, you see, I do think-I mean, I agree with what John Hillman said earlier.
There\'s a lot of Bannon scores-
Settle down here and have to bring a grain of salt, but it\'s amazing.
I mean, it\'s really shocking that the president\'s chief strategist says the presidential campaign involves treason.
We have never seen such a thing before.
That\'s not what Hillary Clinton\'s chief strategist said today.
That\'s not what Barack Obama\'s chief strategist said today.
Chief strategist Donald Trump, who helped guide the campaign, said it was involved in treason.
This is a matter that cannot be taken lightly at all.
Jonathan Capehart, we have the video ready, but we all remember it, so we won\'t bother to show it.
Donald Trump told everyone during the campaign that I had the best people.
I have the best people.
I hire the best.
The book \"fire and anger\" is the first story about the operation of the best people in the White House. CAPEHART: Yes.
The best people we knew from the beginning, it was great to see it stabbing each other in the print, in the front, in the print, in the air.
The paintings by Michael Wolfe are so chaotic.
What is disturbing is that you just want to know, how do we spend a year without wheels flying completely off this bus?
I-I\'m not sure.
I can\'t wait to get a copy of the book, because if the adaptation of New York magazine is just a taste of the whole book, it could be-the problem I saw at the White House, they are personal issues, political issues, and legal issues that arise in this book.
I just want to know how many of these questions go deep when you get the full picture and when you get the chance to read the whole book.
Jonathan, I have the whole book in my hand.
If you are in New York, I will let you get it overnight.
Will you give it to me?
O\'Donnell: We\'re going to talk a lot about this throughout the hour.
I just want to point out to the audience what you just said about Jonathan\'s reaction to the portrait of Michael Wolfe.
As a painter, what he did was to give the brush to everyone at Trump\'s White House and let them draw each other\'s paintings.
So, it\'s-we know these people are talking about them from other Trump people in this book.
So, Michael Wolfe doesn\'t insert a view of what\'s going on there.
I\'m going to have a rest here.
Jonathan Capehart, Jon haileman, thank you both for joining us.
Really grateful.
Thank you, Lawrence.
O\'Donnell: Next, Steve Bannon has a lot to say and a lot to say in this book about the special prosecutor\'s investigation.
Later, Trump\'s biographer will take a look at the heart of Donald Trump with us.
Tonight, when he responded to the book, the book was tearing off his White House roof. (
Business break)
O\'Donnell: The first major book inside Trump\'s White House exploded today and topped the Amazon bestseller list a week before it was scheduled to be published.
Some of us in the news media have obtained a copy of the book in which the president is described as an idiot, a fool and a stupid shirt.
None of Washington\'s Republicans came forward today and said it was not true.
I don\'t know Donald Trump.
Donald Trump, whom I know, is not an idiot, is not a fool, nor is it a fool, nor is it a Republican who stands up and defends Donald Trump against these labels, all of this applies to Donald Trump mentioned in the book by Donald Trump\'s own staff.
Michael Wolfe\'s book, fire and anger, tells what Trump employees think of the president.
He\'s an idiot for Steve Mnuchin and Reince Priebus.
He was stupid for Gary Cohen. For H. R.
McMaster, he\'s a fool.
The list continues. An e-
The book describes an email that allegedly represented Gary Cohen, the White House economic adviser, saying Trump would not read anything.
There is no one-page memo, no short policy document, nothing.
He got up at the midway meeting with world leaders because he was bored.
There\'s nothing good about his staff.
Kushner is a child who knows nothing.
Bannon is an arrogant man. he thinks he is smarter than him.
Trump is not so much a collection of terrible features as a person.
No one will survive the first year except his family.
I hate this job.
But I feel like I need to stay because I\'m the only one who knows what he\'s doing.
I have been in a state of shock and fear.
Republicans continue to hide under blankets in their cribs today as the president tweeted that we are getting closer to nuclear war with North Korea.
Here\'s the Republican response to the president\'s crazy tweet last night, saying his nuclear button is bigger than North Korea\'s. (
Start Video Editing)SEN. JOHN KENNEDY (R)
Louis Anna: Well, I don\'t have a comment on the president\'s tweet. SEN. TED CRUZ (R)
Texas: I have a standard rule of thumb that I don\'t comment on Twitter. SEN. JIM INHOFE (R)
Well, it\'s a style I \'ve never seen before.
But it\'s a way to communicate back and forth. he\'s the president.
He chose to do so.
So I don\'t judge in advance.
I just wish it had a good result. (END VIDEO CLIP)
O\'Donnell: David fren, senior editor of Atlantic, is now joining our discussion.
\"David, so the first in-depth report inside the White House about Donald Trump and his employees is almost unanimous within the White House that Donald Trump is an idiot, drug or other similar word.
David fren, senior editor of The Atlantic Monthly: Well, I\'m glad you linked it to Korean tweets, because I think the issue that everyone needs to consider tonight is that under such a government, are you willing to go to war?
Because we seem to be moving towards a preventive war on the Korean Peninsula.
By the way, a preventive war, even without the support of South Korea, has steadily moved away from Trump\'s presidency.
It\'s important to understand that when Donald Trump says these words, you know, for us, this is the second story after the latest news inside the White House.
But in Asia, Twitter is the headline. in South Korea, tens of millions of people live in the range of North Korean weapons. this must be an absolutely dominant and terrible story.
O\'Donnell: There are various reports in the book about Donald Trump\'s response to different people and different people.
He\'s against H. R.
McMaster said in his first meeting that he was very bored and didn\'t want to see him again.
Then, when he was finally appointed, he saw H. R.
McMaster\'s speech at Morning JoeR.
McMaster obviously did a good job for Trump, and at the time he thought, oh, this guy is fine because he did a good job on TV.
This is the ultimate performance venue for Donald Trump\'s national security adviser.
Well, congratulate you.
You may have a new job. O`DONNELL: Yes.
As we said, the president in this book, David, is a president who sent us a message on Twitter that is getting closer and closer to communicating with North Korea\'s nuclear program.
If Republicans don\'t care clearly about the president before today, what do you see in this book that should change the attitude of Republicans towards President Capitol Hill?
Fren: Well, they\'re like-they\'re like a man in handcuffs, or a man in a chain gang that\'s dragged in the direction they don\'t want to go.
I just want to clarify.
I don\'t think we will go to nuclear war on the Korean Peninsula, because without the support of South Korean and Japanese allies, it is not even possible to consider, we are losing them.
What Donald Trump\'s policy is really doing is to convince South Koreans that America is unreliable and dangerous.
What Donald Trump tells the Korean people every day is that every time he tweets, hey, China can solve this problem.
If you are an thoughtful Korean and you have to wonder, then why are we looking for you to protect?
We don\'t want to fight a war with North Korea.
We want people to restrain North Korea, and Donald Trump Daily told the Korean people to ask for help from China.
Well, China is closer. China is bigger. they finally accepted the president\'s advice. the whole American collapsed.
Leading alliance structure in Northeast Asia.
But Donald Trump still has what he calls the nuclear button.
Well, that\'s it.
David fren, thank you so much for joining us tonight.
Really grateful. Frum: Thank you.
O\'Donnell: Trump biographer will join us in discussing what will happen to Donald Trump tonight in his life at the White House, including how his hair has been exposed in this new book.
Exposed by his employees and exposed by his own family. (
Business break)
MSNBC anchor Lawrence O\'Donnell: today, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein met with Speaker Paul Ryan and FBI Director Christopher Ray on the House Intelligence Committee Russia investigation.
According to Politico, the meeting was held at the speaker\'s office at the request of Rod Rosenstein.
The meeting was linked to a request for documents from House Intelligence Committee chairman devonnes this summer.
Today is the deadline for Congressman Nunes to give Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein to comply with summons and documents requests related to the Justice Department and the FBI handling the Steele file and the resulting investigation.
We have just learned that Congressman Nunez said his committee has now reached an agreement with the Justice Department to get the information he wants.
Hill reported that in a letter to Rosenstein last week, Nunes attacked the department\'s initial response, saying that at this point the Justice Department and the FBI seemed to need their own investigation.
In Michael Wolfe\'s book, Steve Bannon looked at another issue in which congressional investigators investigated Russia\'s intervention in the 2016 election.
Afternoon Trump campaign officials have been working with Russian lawyers in the Trump building for 16 years in June 20.
Bannon said in the book that the meeting was treason and unpatriotic.
He said Donald Trump Jr.
Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort \"even if you don\'t want to do this, you should call the FBI immediately and you are completely immoral and you want this information, you do it at a Holiday Inn in Manchester, New Hampshire with your lawyer, and then you figure out how to throw it away to Breitbart or something like that, or other more legitimate publication \", then it goes on to say the opportunity of Don Jr.
It was zero to not walk these people to his father\'s office on the 26 th floor.
Russian lawyers involved in the Trump Tower meeting told NBC News today that she and her Russian colleagues did not meet Donald Trump at Trump Tower that day.
Joyce Vance, former president of the United States, joins us now. S.
A lawyer in the northern Alabama area, a professor at the University of Alabama Law School, also came back with us, Ron crane.
Joyce, one of the things in this book that concerns all the reports of Steve Bannon and others, and I think one thing that will be controversial in the coming weeks, is how much is on the tape how much is this Report obviously reliable, because in this case, if it is not on the tape, I would imagine everyone on the Trump side of the world would claim that they didn\'t say these words to their credit.
Joyce Vance, MSNBC contributor: Lawrence, I think that\'s absolutely right.
The book begins with a very interesting disclaimer, and the author says he is not sure how much of what is told in the book is credible.
In some cases his views are contradictory, and in other cases he says he is able to reach the version of the event that he thinks is more reliable.
So it\'s important to keep in mind that while it\'s news, it\'s reports, and in court it\'s unacceptable evidence that Bob Miller\'s major investigation is whether it\'s credible or not.
He will use it more to find new leads and new sources than as reliable information.
O\'Donnell: Joyce I think the prosecutor\'s office will immediately want a copy of the book and will read it to prepare a future book for any interviews they may have with Bannon and others.
Vance: of course.
One thing that prosecutors really like, you know, is that before people talk to them, get to know as much information as possible about them, because that way you can really get to know the whole procuratorial function is important.
So the more you know, the more you can ask questions to people and finally understand what\'s going on in some situation.
Ron Crane, it sounds like devin Nunes is coming to an agreement tonight, or Paul Ryan has reached some agreement with Rod Rosenstein and the FBI director devin Nunes wants to know the file
Ron klain, MSNBC contributor: Yes.
I mean, it would be curious to see what the next few days would look like.
What Nunes is asking for is basically the most intense confrontation and internal working documents of the Miller prosecution, and if Rosenstein and Rey hand over those documents, it will undermine Miller\'s prosecution, because we know that Nuu handed the materials to Donald Trump and gave the people under investigation a way.
We need to see what exactly Rosenstein and Rey agreed to tonight and what will be offered in the coming days to find out how much damage this investigation has or has not been done.
You know, as Joyce said, the core of the final Mueller investigation is not fire or anger.
This will be the truth.
There are interesting facts in that book.
Interesting facts are coming up and I think that\'s what we should see in the next few days.
O\'Donnell: Joyce, I would like to talk about some of Steve Bannon\'s comments in the book about the special prosecutor\'s investigation.
That\'s what he said, according to Michael Wolfe.
This is all about money laundering.
Mueller first chose Weissman, a money laundering man.
Their way to Trump is right through Don Paul Manafort Jr.
And Jared Kushner.
Just like the hair on your face.
It goes through Deutsche Bank and all Kushner banks.
They would roll those two guys up and say play me or trade me.
What do you think of Bannon\'s interpretation of the survey?
Vance: We always know that Miller has a lot of influence in this area.
It is important to remember that the public does not know what is going on in this survey.
It\'s kind of like a duck swimming in a pond, all you \'ve seen before is the top of the duck\'s body, and what the prosecutor is actually doing is paddling the surface of the paddle water frantically under his feet.
There\'s a lot happening here that we don\'t know.
Money laundering seems to have always been a very likely prospect for Bob Miller, as he hired people like Andrew Weisman to join his team, there are a lot of professionals in this field, but also because we hear these little tidbits along the way.
Real estate sales in Florida seem to account for a large margin in a very short period of time.
Some other interesting tidbits convince you that there may be clues to money laundering in this story, and of course, the German bank summons story we \'ve heard recently is, the Bank of Germany has received a subpoena for Trump\'s personal record or for someone around him.
This also seems to give it more weight.
I want you to wear your political hat for a while.
A Trump war against Bannon is underway.
That\'s what Mitch McConnell has dreamed of, and he wants Donald Trump to break up with Mitch McConnell.
You can\'t ask for a bigger break than today.
Donald Trump says Steve Bannon is crazy.
What politics is this for Republicans in Washington?
KLAIN: Well, for a couple of reasons, I think it\'s a disaster for Republicans.
First, Steve Bannon still has a powerful Breitbart machine, and if he turns it from Trump\'s mouthpiece to a real war with Trump, it\'s a problem, and even some of the more conservative people will be divided up.
Obviously, we know that the president has a gnat focus or something, you know, he\'s distracted by a war, and a man who knows a lot of his secrets had a war who was the chief strategist of the movement and this is just a huge disturbance for someone who simply can\'t afford any disturbance.
So I think, you know, you\'re going to see this potentially catastrophic battle between the president and the former chief strategist, the nightmare of Trump and all the Republicans in Washington: Ron, according to this book, we know the president\'s scope of attention in introducing the Bill of Rights, and the first 10 am amendments to the Constitution extend all the way to the beginning of the Fourth Amendment, not beyond that.
KLAIN: Yes, I even doubt that because I doubt if they informed him of the First Amendment as Donald Trump did as president.
O\'Donnell: That\'s right.
It doesn\'t sound like they do.
Ron Klain thank you so much for joining us tonight, thank you so much.
Thank you, Lawrence.
O\'Donnell: Next, Steve Bannon said how Donald Trump saved his job when he wanted to fire Robert Mueller. (
Business breako\' donnell: in Michael Wolff\'s book, it\'s reported that Steve Bannon said it was his way to convince President Trump not to try to fire special prosecutor Robert Mueller.
If he fired Mueller, impeachment would be faster. Why not? Let`s do it.
Let\'s open it. why not?
What am I going to do?
Shall I go in and save him?
He\'s Donald Trump.
He always does something. He wants an un-
Attorney General.
I told him that if Jeff Sessions went, Rod Rosenstein went, and then Rachel Brand went, we would look into Obama\'s career in depth and Obama guy would act as an agent
I said you won\'t get Rudy because he\'s in the campaign and we have to avoid himself and Chris Christie, these are inflammatory fantasies.
Take those out of your head.
We came back with the former US. S.
Attorney Joyce Vance
Joyce has no one to confirm the contents of the book, and I think there will be a discussion about the exact confirmation of the contents of the book next week or so.
But Steve Bannon explained to Donald Trump what would happen if he tried to fire a special prosecutor, which seems to be a very accurate order.
Vance: I think it\'s fair enough.
In terms of the long-term value of this president\'s term, there will be no good result in firing Bob Miller.
O\'Donnell: I would like to do something-another development in this case today may be in the way of the special prosecutor, which is that Paul Manafort actually sued the Department of Justice, prosecution of Rod Rosenstein and prosecution of the special prosecutor said the investigation was moving in the direction of a constitutional violation.
Their civil complaint states that the special prosecutor has the right to pursue any issues arising in the investigation or which may arise directly.
However, the grant was beyond his scope.
The power of Rosenstein to appoint a special adviser and the specific restrictions on the scope of such appointments.
So, Joyce, they\'re looking for a ban, basically to stop the investigation from going in some direction.
What do you think is the legal prospect of this?
Vance: I think this lawsuit is an absolute loser to be polite.
It will not go anywhere.
Not only may Manafort not be eligible for prosecution, but given the testimony of Deputy Minister of Justice Rod Rosenstein last week, he maintained consultations with Miller, and the proceedings themselves were very stupid.
Mueller has been in strict compliance with the powers granted to him when appointed as a special adviser.
So once you have Rosenstein say he\'s comfortable and his assessment is that Miller is within the mandate, there won\'t be any progress in this lawsuit.
One strange thing is that if there is anything substantial, it should be filed and you would expect it to be filed as a motion sub to dismiss the offender.
But this was filed as a second separate civil action, and it looks a bit like Manafort wants to eat a second Apple here, but it won\'t go anywhere.
O\'Donnell: Joyce, I mean, I think you made it very clear, but a civil judge in the civil court intervened in civil complaints through a ban on criminal cases.
Vance: it is highly unlikely, and given the local rules of this court, that both cases are brought before the District of Colombia, the Federal District Court, the trial level court, it would be expected that civil cases could be reallocated to the same judge with a criminal case so that they could be dealt with together.
Obviously we have some breaking news tonight.
Trump\'s lawyer sent Steve banad a letter to stop and stop, saying that the letter sent on Wednesday night asked him not to make a demeaning comment on the president and his family.
What are the legal reasons they can imagine for asking to stop such letters?
Vance: It\'s hard to imagine.
The president is a public figure.
This means that he cannot sue people for defamation.
Public figures are called evidence of defamation, so there is no evidence in this area.
Maybe he wants to pursue some other infringement.
But in the end, it looks more like a gesture than a real lawyer.
O\'Donnell: Let\'s take a break.
After that, we will come back with more. (
Business break)
O\'Donnell: we are back again about the development of this sudden news.
ABC News reported tonight that the Warriors, on behalf of President Trump, sent a letter to former White House chief strategist Steven banad asking him not to make derogatory comments about the president and his family.
The letter appears to indicate that Steve Bannon has violated the NDA.
It said that apart from other things about President Trump, his family and the company, the breach of the agreement meant that the campaign disclosed confidential information to Trump
Mr. Wolff made a derogatory statement and, in some cases, made a blatant statement of defamation against him. Wolff about Mr.
Trump and his family say all of this violates the NDA signed by Steve Bannon under this letter with the Trump campaign.
Tim O\'Brien, executive editor of Bloomberg\'s point of view and author of the Trump Nation, joined us as Donald\'s art.
One of Donald Trump\'s biographies.
Former federal prosecutor Joyce Vance is back.
Joyce, I just want to go to the legal point here.
It was an interesting thing because they said he signed a non-disclosure agreement for the campaign rather than belittling it.
So the legal question is how much of this interview was done after the campaign ended.
There is also a problem that you may have signed an agreement with him, but in fact you do not have a real legal remedy, because the only way to prevent him from violating this agreement is to bring him to court, sue him. All these things will be made public in this case.
Vance: of course.
In the details of these agreements, the devil is the most important.
As you pointed out, it may only be applied during the event.
It is difficult to imagine that it will apply in the actual operation of the government, because in a sense, everything that happens in the process of government management is an Open record.
So even if the president does want to try to pursue that, what the details will look like.
And then we heard it.
Wolff had many opportunities, and the president himself allowed him to have those conversations.
Thus, Bannon may have these conversations under the president\'s agreement, which will make it difficult for him to insist on a breach of the NDA.
O\'Donnell: Tim O\'Brien, we \'ve been saying all night that no one confirmed the contents of Michael Wolfe\'s book.
Nothing was confirmed by NBC News.
We have been discussing this issue on an unconfirmed basis.
This letter from Trump counsel tonight is as much confirmation as they may have provided, and they say to Steven Bannon that you do provide all these demeaning statements in this book, you did this in violation of the confidential agreement you reached with the campaign team.
MSNBC contributor Tim O\'Brien: Bannon himself hasn\'t backed down on these things all day.
O\'Donnell: Bannon said I didn\'t say it all day.
O\'Brien: there are other members on the Trump track who stood up today and said they were misquoted, etc.
In the most damaging statement in Micheal\'s book, Bannon did not peep from Bannon. Go ahead.
O\'Donnell: What I want to say is that Sue is always the first thought of Donald Trump.
Well, I hope you find Donald Trump in this stop order tonight.
O\'Brien: Yes, I think with the progress of his life, the president often forgets that he is becoming more and more the most public figure.
The standard of freedom of speech around him is profound and powerful.
I don\'t know what legal position he has to stand on to try to give a stop and a stop to Bannon, which in fact backfired because you knew earlier that it would only give Bannon more claims.
O\'Donnell: Joyce, of course, in the federal government, there is no such idea of working at the White House and signing some sort of personal secrecy agreement that they are talking about.
Vance: in fact, you know, in the early days of the president\'s removal of tweets, we \'ve heard a dispute about his tweets.
The reason we hear the dispute is because these are all open record documents, in many cases written communications are kept and even oral conversations are recorded and kept.
Part of the fundamental principles of our government is all of these conversations, except in the context of administrative privilege, which is narrow, but for historians and citizens, they can also fully understand and appreciate what is happening in their government.
O\'Donnell: this is an example of some derogatory comments in the book that the president and his lawyers are trying to block.
Steve Bannon has said it and has mentioned Ivanka, Trump and Jared Kushner in the book.
She did not participate in the election campaign.
She became a White House clerk when people suddenly realized that she was a stupid person, a bit of a marketing mind and looked beautiful.
But in terms of understanding how the world works, what politics is, what it means, nothing.
Once you reveal that you have lost such credibility
Jared is just doing Arab things.
Tim does sound like Steve Bannon\'s speech at the White House, and he has passed the jurisdiction of any civil secrecy form he signed for the campaign.
O\'Brien: You know, it\'s never hard to get close to Donald Trump.
For many years, he has provided full authority to journalists.
This is not a new phenomenon.
I think Bannon has basically been given a release card by the president because the president seems to authorize everyone in the White House to talk to Michael Wolfe in Verizon. nilly.
O\'Donnell: Let\'s have a look.
We have received a new lawyer\'s statement saying that legal action is imminent.
This is what Charles Harder said. The law firm represents Donald J.
Trump and Leonard
President Trump
Legal notice was sent to Steven K today on behalf of our client.
Bannon believes that his communication with author Michael Wolfe on the forthcoming book has caused many legal claims, including slander and slander, as well as breach of his written secrecy and non-disclosure with our clients
Legal action is imminent.
Joyce Vance, I think we can be sure that the legal action will not be imminent.
It\'s an empty lawyer threat, just like I once held it in my hand.
These words are outside.
They are in the book, and now what Donald Trump seems to have done through his lawyers confirms his personal belief that Steve Bannon did say all that to Michael Wolfe.
Vance: Legal proceedings do not seem imminent here.
O\'Donnell: Joyce, again, just to go through it, one of the reasons is the damage to them.
It\'s all in the book.
They were not able to remove the book through a civil suit, nor could they file a lawsuit with Steve Bannon to have Steve Bannon immediately call Donald Trump as a witness, summoning Ivanka Trump as a witness Jared Kushner has been a witness for many years for testimony and all such matters.
Vance: Yes, that\'s absolutely right.
You know, I remember many years ago when Pat Robertson ran for president, he sued several sitting members of Congress and a former member of Congress because his Vietnam war record was responsible.
It was a process for him because everyone was able to overthrow him.
He was finally ousted.
Some unpleasant facts came out, and eventually he terminated the lawsuit, saying it was inconsistent with continuing the campaign.
For President Trump, this experience will only be magnified and he will see everyone around him summoned to testify. O`DONNELL.
The last time Donald Trump threatened to file a lawsuit, Tim said he was lying.
He said he would sue all women suspected of sexual assault and sexual harassment during the campaign.
Of course he was lying and did not dare to sue anyone.
O\'BRIEN: He also threatened the New York Times.
One thing I think needs to keep in mind is that the threat of a lawsuit by Donald Trump is often not equal to the threat of force.
He rarely sticks to the end.
Thank you. LawrenceO`DONNELL.
We have to leave it there.
Tim O\'Brien and Joyce Vance thank you both for being with us tonight, thank you so much. That`s it.
This is the last sentence tonight.
11 hours now.
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